Finally, an analysis of a pernicious interpretation of Jefferson's possession of a Quran. Your characterization and summation of the tyrannical nature of Islam is spot on. There is nothing in Islam that provides freedom of thought, of religion, of association, or anything other than what is prescribed and mandatory for the "umma."
I know a man who is an architect, raised Christian, who converted to Islam in his early 30s. A few years later, he left Islam, and came back to his church. Some time later, he bumped into a former friend who was Muslim. The Muslim man said, "You know, I should kill you on the spot as an apostate. Don't ever speak to me again." The last I heard, the architect returned to Islam, for reasons unknown to me. But never believe that Islam is "the Religion of Peace." Nothing is further from the truth.
Ok,OK. So Jefferson didn't akshually lift from the Quran. But emanations and penumbras, man. Just being in the same room with the book was enough to feel its influence.
Not only did Jefferson not write the Establishment Clause - he played almost no role at all in the drafting of the Constitution. He was in France from 1784 until 1789, returning about two years after the Constitution was ratified.
It is said that Jesus gave the Quran to the disciple Mohammed, and perhaps Jefferson knew that. Essentially, the Quran is book that, like the Bible, essentially taught Love. But, like the Bible many subsequent renditions have encrusted that essential teaching in favor of various dogmas created for various purposes.
There is no comparison between Jesus' teaching and Mohammed's. There were two periods of Mohammed's life that influenced his teaching: Mecca and Medina. The Meccan teachings were fairly benign, inviting everyone to follow his teachings. After being rejected and forced out of Mecca, he fled to Medina where his beliefs turned bloodthirsty and extremely warlike. From that point, he became a warlord and ever since, Islam has been a system of tyranny and conquest.
The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
The Meccan suras, revealed at a time when the Muslims were vulnerable, are generally benign; the later Medinan suras, revealed after Muhammad had made himself the head of an army, are bellicose.
I read the Koran right after 9/11; I wanted to see if I could figure out what was motivating the religion. Unfortunately, what I found was not encouraging.
According to the Ageless Wisdom teachings, and many common traditions, we all continue to exist beyond the physical plane existence. Teachers have been sent by God to humanity over and over again, historically within cultures. Jesus and Mary are exalted in the Quoran. Jesus overshadowed his disciple Mohammen for purposes of teaching the Arab peoples.
Almost no serious historian claims Islamic theology shaped the Establishment Clause. The real, modest claim has always been.
Dragging out jizya, apostasy law, and Islamic supremacy is a category error — the Founders weren’t borrowing theology from any religion, including Christianity!
Bottom line:
Jefferson wasn’t inspired by Islam .....but he absolutely used Islam as proof that liberty must apply even to beliefs you dislike.
Islam, as a political and legal ideology, is incompatible with modern constitutional democracy. Its traditional jurisprudence fuses religion, law, and state power, rejects freedom of conscience, denies equality before the law, and abolishes any real separation between church and state. That’s not opinion—it’s doctrinal structure. This is a critique of an ideology, not of people. End of discussion.
The connection between Jesus (ISA) and Muslims still exists: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1bXszpoSDZ/
As usual - so well put. Your use of the language is efficient, direct, and incisive. Should put these misdirected musings to rest. Thanks Alex!
Thomas Jefferson owned a Quran and inscribed in it "To better know our enemy." Read the history book "Power, Faith and Fantacy".
After you tear down the statues, the ideas are next. The nexus of the Left and Islam is deadly to our civilization.
Finally, an analysis of a pernicious interpretation of Jefferson's possession of a Quran. Your characterization and summation of the tyrannical nature of Islam is spot on. There is nothing in Islam that provides freedom of thought, of religion, of association, or anything other than what is prescribed and mandatory for the "umma."
I know a man who is an architect, raised Christian, who converted to Islam in his early 30s. A few years later, he left Islam, and came back to his church. Some time later, he bumped into a former friend who was Muslim. The Muslim man said, "You know, I should kill you on the spot as an apostate. Don't ever speak to me again." The last I heard, the architect returned to Islam, for reasons unknown to me. But never believe that Islam is "the Religion of Peace." Nothing is further from the truth.
Ok,OK. So Jefferson didn't akshually lift from the Quran. But emanations and penumbras, man. Just being in the same room with the book was enough to feel its influence.
Alexander, your a Moran who has obviously never read the Quran.
Not only did Jefferson not write the Establishment Clause - he played almost no role at all in the drafting of the Constitution. He was in France from 1784 until 1789, returning about two years after the Constitution was ratified.
Details, details...
If I'm not mistaken, he was more influenced by Native culture at the time.
It is said that Jesus gave the Quran to the disciple Mohammed, and perhaps Jefferson knew that. Essentially, the Quran is book that, like the Bible, essentially taught Love. But, like the Bible many subsequent renditions have encrusted that essential teaching in favor of various dogmas created for various purposes.
People on drugs say many things some on drugs believe those fools.
There is no comparison between Jesus' teaching and Mohammed's. There were two periods of Mohammed's life that influenced his teaching: Mecca and Medina. The Meccan teachings were fairly benign, inviting everyone to follow his teachings. After being rejected and forced out of Mecca, he fled to Medina where his beliefs turned bloodthirsty and extremely warlike. From that point, he became a warlord and ever since, Islam has been a system of tyranny and conquest.
Wrong.
The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
The Meccan suras, revealed at a time when the Muslims were vulnerable, are generally benign; the later Medinan suras, revealed after Muhammad had made himself the head of an army, are bellicose.
I read the Koran right after 9/11; I wanted to see if I could figure out what was motivating the religion. Unfortunately, what I found was not encouraging.
Utter nonsense.
Islam is wholly antithetical to and incompatible with Christianity.
As Jesus Himself proclaimed, “I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.“
~John 14:6
What? Jesus and Mohammad did not exist at the same time plus the belief is that God, through Angle Gabriel over 23 years.
I thought Islam came 400 years after Jesus. No way did Jesus gave the Quran to Mohammed.
According to the Ageless Wisdom teachings, and many common traditions, we all continue to exist beyond the physical plane existence. Teachers have been sent by God to humanity over and over again, historically within cultures. Jesus and Mary are exalted in the Quoran. Jesus overshadowed his disciple Mohammen for purposes of teaching the Arab peoples.
Almost no serious historian claims Islamic theology shaped the Establishment Clause. The real, modest claim has always been.
Dragging out jizya, apostasy law, and Islamic supremacy is a category error — the Founders weren’t borrowing theology from any religion, including Christianity!
Bottom line:
Jefferson wasn’t inspired by Islam .....but he absolutely used Islam as proof that liberty must apply even to beliefs you dislike.
Islam, as a political and legal ideology, is incompatible with modern constitutional democracy. Its traditional jurisprudence fuses religion, law, and state power, rejects freedom of conscience, denies equality before the law, and abolishes any real separation between church and state. That’s not opinion—it’s doctrinal structure. This is a critique of an ideology, not of people. End of discussion.
As always, well done. Thank you, Alex!
ISLAM is a CANCER