This lie survives because it’s useful, not because it’s true. I’ve written before about the modern impulse to retroactively Islamize the American founding—an oath-law sleight of hand meant to subordinate constitutional meaning to present politics.
Jefferson’s references to Muslims were stress tests, not source material. They were designed to strip power from the state, not import foreign religious authority into it. Pretending otherwise isn’t scholarship; it’s ideological laundering. The Quran mandates supremacy, not pluralism. The First Amendment disables theology from governing law. Confusing the two isn’t inclusive—it’s an attack on the constitutional firewall that protects everyone, Muslims included.
There are so many ways to distort this history. Morocco was the first country to recognize the United States. So what? At the same time, anyone want to talk about President Jefferson and the Barbary Wars? Such as “Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute”?
The Barbary Wars were the underpinnings of the creation of the US Navy. Jefferson would want to understand an enemy’s history and motivations before spending the capital creating the fleet of six frigates it would take to defend the U S merchant fleet and defeat the Barbary nations.
Finally, an analysis of a pernicious interpretation of Jefferson's possession of a Quran. Your characterization and summation of the tyrannical nature of Islam is spot on. There is nothing in Islam that provides freedom of thought, of religion, of association, or anything other than what is prescribed and mandatory for the "umma."
I know a man who is an architect, raised Christian, who converted to Islam in his early 30s. A few years later, he left Islam, and came back to his church. Some time later, he bumped into a former friend who was Muslim. The Muslim man said, "You know, I should kill you on the spot as an apostate. Don't ever speak to me again." The last I heard, the architect returned to Islam, for reasons unknown to me. But never believe that Islam is "the Religion of Peace." Nothing is further from the truth.
Ok,OK. So Jefferson didn't akshually lift from the Quran. But emanations and penumbras, man. Just being in the same room with the book was enough to feel its influence.
Franklin puzzled in his letters over a widespread problem, the net loss of colonists to go live permanently among the native people. Though all people had more freedom among the tribes in contact with the colonies than under any European or British system, women in particular had a far greater degree and also had political power of their own, among the Iroquois.
It’s hard for me to believe in this environment that the founders were only influenced by English common law, Christianity, Locke, etc, which didn’t lead to the evolution of ‘American style’ rights and freedoms in the UK or Europe, even today, as can be demonstrated by the current brutal crackdown on speech there.
It is said that Jesus gave the Quran to the disciple Mohammed, and perhaps Jefferson knew that. Essentially, the Quran is book that, like the Bible, essentially taught Love. But, like the Bible many subsequent renditions have encrusted that essential teaching in favor of various dogmas created for various purposes.
There is no comparison between Jesus' teaching and Mohammed's. There were two periods of Mohammed's life that influenced his teaching: Mecca and Medina. The Meccan teachings were fairly benign, inviting everyone to follow his teachings. After being rejected and forced out of Mecca, he fled to Medina where his beliefs turned bloodthirsty and extremely warlike. From that point, he became a warlord and ever since, Islam has been a system of tyranny and conquest.
The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
The Meccan suras, revealed at a time when the Muslims were vulnerable, are generally benign; the later Medinan suras, revealed after Muhammad had made himself the head of an army, are bellicose.
I read the Koran right after 9/11; I wanted to see if I could figure out what was motivating the religion. Unfortunately, what I found was not encouraging.
According to the Ageless Wisdom teachings, and many common traditions, we all continue to exist beyond the physical plane existence. Teachers have been sent by God to humanity over and over again, historically within cultures. Jesus and Mary are exalted in the Quoran. Jesus overshadowed his disciple Mohammen for purposes of teaching the Arab peoples.
One Nation under God. Not Mohamed. Not Islam.
TOTAL BULLSH*T !
This lie survives because it’s useful, not because it’s true. I’ve written before about the modern impulse to retroactively Islamize the American founding—an oath-law sleight of hand meant to subordinate constitutional meaning to present politics.
https://luthmann.substack.com/p/american-muslim-oath-law
Jefferson’s references to Muslims were stress tests, not source material. They were designed to strip power from the state, not import foreign religious authority into it. Pretending otherwise isn’t scholarship; it’s ideological laundering. The Quran mandates supremacy, not pluralism. The First Amendment disables theology from governing law. Confusing the two isn’t inclusive—it’s an attack on the constitutional firewall that protects everyone, Muslims included.
Have the people claiming this READ the quran? (I have)
There are so many ways to distort this history. Morocco was the first country to recognize the United States. So what? At the same time, anyone want to talk about President Jefferson and the Barbary Wars? Such as “Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute”?
The Barbary Wars were the underpinnings of the creation of the US Navy. Jefferson would want to understand an enemy’s history and motivations before spending the capital creating the fleet of six frigates it would take to defend the U S merchant fleet and defeat the Barbary nations.
As Paul Harvey famously would say tell us his informative insightful cliffhangers, and Now the rest of the story!
The Quran is not compatible with our Constitutional Republic with the Rights and Freedoms of the People have the power not our Religious Leaders!
Fix your title. Great research and explanation- love your writing topics.
The connection between Jesus (ISA) and Muslims still exists: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1bXszpoSDZ/
As usual - so well put. Your use of the language is efficient, direct, and incisive. Should put these misdirected musings to rest. Thanks Alex!
Thomas Jefferson owned a Quran and inscribed in it "To better know our enemy." Read the history book "Power, Faith and Fantacy".
After you tear down the statues, the ideas are next. The nexus of the Left and Islam is deadly to our civilization.
Finally, an analysis of a pernicious interpretation of Jefferson's possession of a Quran. Your characterization and summation of the tyrannical nature of Islam is spot on. There is nothing in Islam that provides freedom of thought, of religion, of association, or anything other than what is prescribed and mandatory for the "umma."
I know a man who is an architect, raised Christian, who converted to Islam in his early 30s. A few years later, he left Islam, and came back to his church. Some time later, he bumped into a former friend who was Muslim. The Muslim man said, "You know, I should kill you on the spot as an apostate. Don't ever speak to me again." The last I heard, the architect returned to Islam, for reasons unknown to me. But never believe that Islam is "the Religion of Peace." Nothing is further from the truth.
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Ok,OK. So Jefferson didn't akshually lift from the Quran. But emanations and penumbras, man. Just being in the same room with the book was enough to feel its influence.
Alexander, your a Moran who has obviously never read the Quran.
If I'm not mistaken, he was more influenced by Native culture at the time.
Franklin puzzled in his letters over a widespread problem, the net loss of colonists to go live permanently among the native people. Though all people had more freedom among the tribes in contact with the colonies than under any European or British system, women in particular had a far greater degree and also had political power of their own, among the Iroquois.
It’s hard for me to believe in this environment that the founders were only influenced by English common law, Christianity, Locke, etc, which didn’t lead to the evolution of ‘American style’ rights and freedoms in the UK or Europe, even today, as can be demonstrated by the current brutal crackdown on speech there.
It is said that Jesus gave the Quran to the disciple Mohammed, and perhaps Jefferson knew that. Essentially, the Quran is book that, like the Bible, essentially taught Love. But, like the Bible many subsequent renditions have encrusted that essential teaching in favor of various dogmas created for various purposes.
People on drugs say many things some on drugs believe those fools.
There is no comparison between Jesus' teaching and Mohammed's. There were two periods of Mohammed's life that influenced his teaching: Mecca and Medina. The Meccan teachings were fairly benign, inviting everyone to follow his teachings. After being rejected and forced out of Mecca, he fled to Medina where his beliefs turned bloodthirsty and extremely warlike. From that point, he became a warlord and ever since, Islam has been a system of tyranny and conquest.
Wrong.
The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Koran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
The Meccan suras, revealed at a time when the Muslims were vulnerable, are generally benign; the later Medinan suras, revealed after Muhammad had made himself the head of an army, are bellicose.
I read the Koran right after 9/11; I wanted to see if I could figure out what was motivating the religion. Unfortunately, what I found was not encouraging.
Utter nonsense.
Islam is wholly antithetical to and incompatible with Christianity.
As Jesus Himself proclaimed, “I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.“
~John 14:6
What? Jesus and Mohammad did not exist at the same time plus the belief is that God, through Angle Gabriel over 23 years.
I thought Islam came 400 years after Jesus. No way did Jesus give the Quran to Mohammed.
More like 600 years Ruth.
There is also over 30 versions of the Koran, 33 I believe have been confirmed.
Good source on Islam : https://bicus.org/missionaries/jay-and-judy-smith/
Dr.Smith spoke for years at speakers corner in Hyde Park debating any that would engage with him on the topic of Islam..
According to the Ageless Wisdom teachings, and many common traditions, we all continue to exist beyond the physical plane existence. Teachers have been sent by God to humanity over and over again, historically within cultures. Jesus and Mary are exalted in the Quoran. Jesus overshadowed his disciple Mohammen for purposes of teaching the Arab peoples.