Good detective work in tracing the funding of much of data center opposition to China. However, you do not address the substantive critiques of data centers: high electricity and water rates for consumers. Unless data centers bring their own supply, they must pay taxes sufficient to offset their demand driven cost increases.
Are you aware that Singham is also behind the Indivisible Project who staged the “No Kings”Protests? Are you aware of Singham’s involvement in the “Halt the ICE Terror Machine” campaign? The demonstrators at Newark’s Delaney Hall were funded by Singham who is working with the CCP to reduce American competitiveness. You and many others who don’t understand the full story put industrial growth at risk. By using Ai we can find answers to curing cancer, yet you, and others are stuck wondering how we can solve simple issues like power and cooling systems for data centers.
I specifically complimented Muse for his detective work in identifying the malign propaganda influence of China, who is the source of funding for Singham. I also appreciate the vast benefits (and harms if misused) that AI brings to society. The "simple issues" like power and water may destroy this industry if the Tech Lords shaft the public by socializing these costs.
Tech “Lords” are businessmen like others in our great nation’s brilliant historical past. While Hollywood likes to portray them as tycoons, oligarchs, and gentry, the free market is the true controller of their successes. If you don’t like what they do, don’t utilize their services or products, and they will go away. There are pros and cons to everything. Innovation is the answer to the water and power challenges. These two resources have always been critical issues in growth. Cogeneration from data centers can provide power to communities and actually lower costs. The benefits outweigh costs when done correctly. That’s how the free market works. To say data centers are going to drive up the cost of electricity is to overlook all the different ways they can be powered.
I have not cast aspersions upon AI, the free market, or innovation, but am simply making a conditional observation: if consumers are hit with large billing increases for electricity or water as these data centers come online (or lose their homes to eminent domain forced sales), then public backlash will be severe.
With the push for EVs, and other technology, wouldn’t you also expect an increase in demand for electricity to bump up prices? if we continue to do things like remove dams to provide for fish, or punish people through taxes who choose gas to heat their homes, you know how that impacts electrical usage. Both of these have happened in the PNW of our country. You have to look at the whole of the issue including why nuclear power is still off the table in many respects. Data Centers are the new boogeyman of our future.
The problem with data centers is that technology is going to move past them. They won’t be needed and will become massive eyesores in communities, a new rust belt if you will. Here is an idea: if data centers are vital to national security, place them on military bases throughout the country. Put the military in charge of maintaining them and dismantling them when they are no longer needed.
I am in favor of our industrial buildout and reshoring overall, I am in favor of AI - DC although they must provide their own power and water and ARE btw. We shall gain enormous electric generation from the buildout which we desperately need im general. I am not in favor of the military running this rather complex business (it’s the most important client however) as we in the military are NOT set up for business, commerce or profit nor do you wish to live in a country where the military IS in business.
I am recently retired after over 20 years.
I’m getting NIMBY from the “eyesore” comment and wondering if the hostility is to just AI or any rebuilding of our industrial might?
I’m all for having a strong industrial base. Trump’s emphasis on this is one of the best things about his presidency.
By eyesore, I mean abandoned data centers, similar to the abandoned factories and industrial buildings that once dotted the Midwest. Data centers are being built as though they will be needed indefinitely. As I noted, AI will change, leaving huge data centers obsolete.
Having worked on military bases for 30 years (but now retired), I get that the military is not the private sector. But the military works closely with civilian contractors some of whom have no other customers except the military. The military with these contractors is better placed to manage AI data centers in a way that the purely IT private sector is not.
With legislation in states where they are “ambitiously” reducing carbon emissions like Oregon and Washington, by 2040, all utility companies must be net zero across operations which means wind and solar, battery storage, energy efficiency, (i.e. limited use) and fleet electrification. What do you think the price of energy will be by then? Without Ai to help solve shortages, we will be begging for more data centers to solve our problems of shortages; unless you are going full on socialism where you believe the government should be the resource for all science and technology. You really think they will care about your neighborhood? PS, we are still stuck with cell towers and land lines across rural America. It was 1973 when cell phones were invented and 1983 when they became commercially available, and it wasn’t until the 90s before widespread adoption. By that time, you really think the US could catch up with Ai?
That means America must build the servers, power the data centers, control the chips, secure the models, and govern the technology through human conscience and national interest.
The doomer class wants paralysis. China wants delay. Activist funders want moratoriums, scare pieces, and local obstruction while Beijing subsidizes its own buildout. That is strategic suicide.
Regulate abuses, punish misuse, and keep humans in command—but build. America cannot win the future by letting paid fear merchants unplug it.
Pope Leo like other religious leaders need to understand that with Ai design principles that prevent bias, deceit, narcissism, sycophancy, we can have a chance at a morally better world where people will share in cultural cooperation. Ai as a tool can be a powerful force in providing more meaningful and enduring values that can save lives and prevent war.
What harm? Receipts?? References? With more than 50% of Americans regularly using Ai, including those on SubStack, why do you continue if you are “harming” people?
So data centers are not raising electricity rates, draining water supplies, generating massive amounts of heat. There is no stopping this train, however, implying China is behind the negative consequences is a mute point. Ted Kaczynski summed it up. Obviously, he didn't have the right strategy, but we are within a decade of total surveillance.
I like the content of your writing but the AI-generated style makes it increasingly unreadable. "It's not X, it's Y" is an example of an AI style tic that grates. It probably saves you time to write AI slop, but it's awful. Too bad for the content.
If you can’t read and understand it, your comment is likely irrelevant. 🤷♀️The most effective writing uses clear language that works like a maths equation.
While I admit to not being a fan (not at all) of AI, I do understand anything China does not want us to have or be superior to them in, is something we MUST have. As long as AI centers incorporate gen stations for their power and do not take away from, or harm, residents' water supply, as well as are appropriately situated, I see no down side to it.
Texas welcomed all the bitcoin miners after China kicked them out for sucking up all the energy. What are the chances that the bitcoin miners are powering chinas LLMs their AI?
With Bob Ferguson’s plan for WA state utilities being Carbon Neutral by 2030, the Luddites are in full control. By 2045, every kilowatt sold in the state must come from renewable or from zero carbon sources. This is the game they play. You turn off your power use or we turn it off for you. What chance is there for growth in Washington State? Only if you are Bill Gates.
Good detective work in tracing the funding of much of data center opposition to China. However, you do not address the substantive critiques of data centers: high electricity and water rates for consumers. Unless data centers bring their own supply, they must pay taxes sufficient to offset their demand driven cost increases.
Are you aware that Singham is also behind the Indivisible Project who staged the “No Kings”Protests? Are you aware of Singham’s involvement in the “Halt the ICE Terror Machine” campaign? The demonstrators at Newark’s Delaney Hall were funded by Singham who is working with the CCP to reduce American competitiveness. You and many others who don’t understand the full story put industrial growth at risk. By using Ai we can find answers to curing cancer, yet you, and others are stuck wondering how we can solve simple issues like power and cooling systems for data centers.
I specifically complimented Muse for his detective work in identifying the malign propaganda influence of China, who is the source of funding for Singham. I also appreciate the vast benefits (and harms if misused) that AI brings to society. The "simple issues" like power and water may destroy this industry if the Tech Lords shaft the public by socializing these costs.
Tech “Lords” are businessmen like others in our great nation’s brilliant historical past. While Hollywood likes to portray them as tycoons, oligarchs, and gentry, the free market is the true controller of their successes. If you don’t like what they do, don’t utilize their services or products, and they will go away. There are pros and cons to everything. Innovation is the answer to the water and power challenges. These two resources have always been critical issues in growth. Cogeneration from data centers can provide power to communities and actually lower costs. The benefits outweigh costs when done correctly. That’s how the free market works. To say data centers are going to drive up the cost of electricity is to overlook all the different ways they can be powered.
I have not cast aspersions upon AI, the free market, or innovation, but am simply making a conditional observation: if consumers are hit with large billing increases for electricity or water as these data centers come online (or lose their homes to eminent domain forced sales), then public backlash will be severe.
With the push for EVs, and other technology, wouldn’t you also expect an increase in demand for electricity to bump up prices? if we continue to do things like remove dams to provide for fish, or punish people through taxes who choose gas to heat their homes, you know how that impacts electrical usage. Both of these have happened in the PNW of our country. You have to look at the whole of the issue including why nuclear power is still off the table in many respects. Data Centers are the new boogeyman of our future.
They often are bringing their own power and water.
How do they bring their own water? And how do they remain off-grid?
The problem with data centers is that technology is going to move past them. They won’t be needed and will become massive eyesores in communities, a new rust belt if you will. Here is an idea: if data centers are vital to national security, place them on military bases throughout the country. Put the military in charge of maintaining them and dismantling them when they are no longer needed.
No.
Well that settles it.
I am in favor of our industrial buildout and reshoring overall, I am in favor of AI - DC although they must provide their own power and water and ARE btw. We shall gain enormous electric generation from the buildout which we desperately need im general. I am not in favor of the military running this rather complex business (it’s the most important client however) as we in the military are NOT set up for business, commerce or profit nor do you wish to live in a country where the military IS in business.
I am recently retired after over 20 years.
I’m getting NIMBY from the “eyesore” comment and wondering if the hostility is to just AI or any rebuilding of our industrial might?
I’m all for having a strong industrial base. Trump’s emphasis on this is one of the best things about his presidency.
By eyesore, I mean abandoned data centers, similar to the abandoned factories and industrial buildings that once dotted the Midwest. Data centers are being built as though they will be needed indefinitely. As I noted, AI will change, leaving huge data centers obsolete.
Having worked on military bases for 30 years (but now retired), I get that the military is not the private sector. But the military works closely with civilian contractors some of whom have no other customers except the military. The military with these contractors is better placed to manage AI data centers in a way that the purely IT private sector is not.
Thank you for your answer. It isn’t necessary for them to be eyesores, anymore than those factories can’t be rebuilt.
As far as the military supervising data centers, no, strongly but politely.
With legislation in states where they are “ambitiously” reducing carbon emissions like Oregon and Washington, by 2040, all utility companies must be net zero across operations which means wind and solar, battery storage, energy efficiency, (i.e. limited use) and fleet electrification. What do you think the price of energy will be by then? Without Ai to help solve shortages, we will be begging for more data centers to solve our problems of shortages; unless you are going full on socialism where you believe the government should be the resource for all science and technology. You really think they will care about your neighborhood? PS, we are still stuck with cell towers and land lines across rural America. It was 1973 when cell phones were invented and 1983 when they became commercially available, and it wasn’t until the 90s before widespread adoption. By that time, you really think the US could catch up with Ai?
AI is not God, not man, and not a moral authority. It is a tool. Man serves God, and AI serves man.
https://luthmann.substack.com/p/babel-with-a-server-farm
That means America must build the servers, power the data centers, control the chips, secure the models, and govern the technology through human conscience and national interest.
The doomer class wants paralysis. China wants delay. Activist funders want moratoriums, scare pieces, and local obstruction while Beijing subsidizes its own buildout. That is strategic suicide.
Regulate abuses, punish misuse, and keep humans in command—but build. America cannot win the future by letting paid fear merchants unplug it.
Pope Leo like other religious leaders need to understand that with Ai design principles that prevent bias, deceit, narcissism, sycophancy, we can have a chance at a morally better world where people will share in cultural cooperation. Ai as a tool can be a powerful force in providing more meaningful and enduring values that can save lives and prevent war.
Understood, but there is no denying the harmful impacts of data centers on local residents. . .
No, CCP agent.
What harm? Receipts?? References? With more than 50% of Americans regularly using Ai, including those on SubStack, why do you continue if you are “harming” people?
So data centers are not raising electricity rates, draining water supplies, generating massive amounts of heat. There is no stopping this train, however, implying China is behind the negative consequences is a mute point. Ted Kaczynski summed it up. Obviously, he didn't have the right strategy, but we are within a decade of total surveillance.
Show us the numbers of data centers doing this, Teddy?
Well done. I did some infographics on the Kevin O'Leary AI debacle.
"The Foreign Plot to Kill American AI"
https://directorblue.substack.com/p/the-foreign-plot-to-kill-american?utm_source=publication-search
I appreciate you shining the light on the breadcrumb Trail
Thank you Alex Muse🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Local issue too. This is not all manufactured paid-for stuff.
I like the content of your writing but the AI-generated style makes it increasingly unreadable. "It's not X, it's Y" is an example of an AI style tic that grates. It probably saves you time to write AI slop, but it's awful. Too bad for the content.
If you can’t read and understand it, your comment is likely irrelevant. 🤷♀️The most effective writing uses clear language that works like a maths equation.
While I admit to not being a fan (not at all) of AI, I do understand anything China does not want us to have or be superior to them in, is something we MUST have. As long as AI centers incorporate gen stations for their power and do not take away from, or harm, residents' water supply, as well as are appropriately situated, I see no down side to it.
Texas welcomed all the bitcoin miners after China kicked them out for sucking up all the energy. What are the chances that the bitcoin miners are powering chinas LLMs their AI?
I think that’s a good possibility at this point
With Bob Ferguson’s plan for WA state utilities being Carbon Neutral by 2030, the Luddites are in full control. By 2045, every kilowatt sold in the state must come from renewable or from zero carbon sources. This is the game they play. You turn off your power use or we turn it off for you. What chance is there for growth in Washington State? Only if you are Bill Gates.