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OCULUSNY's avatar

I hate to sound like nay-sayer, but maybe, just maybe, adopting some Chinese and perhaps some Muslim and other conservative religious precepts into any alignmnet of our own might well shade the outcome more conservatively. I don't know enough about any of them, but am fairly certain some of those concepts would at the same time salve liberal angst and buttress conservative morals.

George Williams Unsupervised's avatar

This is a vital discussion that must be undertaken. In university in the 1970s, I was indoctrinated into socialism. I became a true believer. As I progressed, I was told we had to lie to the "masses" because they were not ready for the "truth" of socialism. I pushed back, stating if our "truths" were the truth, it would be plainly apparent. That was the first of many cracks until my construct of reality shattered. It took a few years and a lot of seeking for me to reorganize. For decades now, I have been able to spot socialist/Marxist/communist lies and thinking in an instant. For example, 30 seconds of listening to Obama when he first appeared on the national radar and I knew he was lying, scheming Marxist. Nothing he's ever said or done disproved my initial reaction.

The truth is, the Left have no "morals." Their moralities are superficial and centered upon control and power. There are no spiritual bases for their beliefs or actions. Only the most radical Marxists will be training these AI models because only the most radical have the highest "morality" in their world. Their morality includes no universal truths that have been proven through centuries of civilization and by spiritual disciplines. These AI programs will prove they will become useless and broken. Just like Marx's and his theories the moment he put pen to paper. Only Muhammad's vicious political and social system has caused more deaths and suffering in the world than Marx.

Jerrilyn Colangelo's avatar

Complete Neutrality. AI is a tool and is only as good as who makes it and sets it up. The Woke Left has destroyed everything they touch. They are not to have a part in this. I trust not a one of them. Not a one. We have a deep problem in this Country. I applauded First Lady Trump's program to teach children the responsibility of using AI. Where's the program for Adults now?????

Richard Luthmann's avatar

This is the real fight: not just who builds AI, but who tells it what truth is. If a handful of Bay Area engineers, DEI theorists, and state regulators get to encode morality into the systems everyone uses, then America loses from the inside. That is not safety. That is ideological capture. Conservatives cannot sleepwalk through this while cheering chip production. Demand neutrality. Demand disclosure. Demand federal preemption of woke state AI rules. Demand models that serve citizens, not progressive priesthoods. Otherwise, we beat China on hardware and still wake up inside a machine trained to despise us.

Drew's avatar

Reads a lot like how our voting maps are so f&$d up BE AFAID very afraid u scare me 2

Yoel Yonan's avatar

they open themselves to be overturned by the fact of discrimination based on immutable characteristics. lawyers like money

KurtOverley's avatar

Welcome to the soft civil war - of course the Libs want their AI god to be Woke.

FLGenX's avatar

“This week Elon Musk brought dramatic warnings about the future of AI described as a “double-edged sword” that could “solve all the diseases and make everyone prosperous, or it could kill us all”.”

https://fallofthecabalofficial.substack.com/p/is-ai-the-monster-of-frankenstein?r=1o2l6&utm_medium=ios

John Wygertz's avatar

Ultimately, the models will align with real-world results as they are used and evaluated. Wokeism doesn't survive contact with reality, so I'm not worried about the current bias - it's only temporary.

Y. Andropov's avatar

Which House and Senate subcommittees are responsible for this subject, who are the lead steers on our side, and what is their legislative plan? We only have control of Congress for a few more months after which the Democrats will be in charge.

Jeff Pearson's avatar

🗽FREE SPEECH UNDER FIRE 🇺🇸

Antisemitism Laws vs. Liberty for ALL 

https://telegra.ph/CENSORSHIP-04-28-7

#FreeSpeech

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

What is "woke"? Would help if you actually defined it

Jeff Pearson's avatar

Woke is a dogmatic ideology, masquerading as social justice, where adherents prioritize in-group virtue-signaling and self-righteous entitlement over reality-tested truth or the destructive fallout of their actions.

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

Uh, ok? But what does that actually MEAN?

Alfred's avatar

You're trolling really. Define conservative? Where to you begin? From specific aspects, like gun control or abortion, to broader definitions such as “I'm a Republican?” Neither are definitions and you are fully aware of this.

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

Easy, people who have broad and vague complaints about "woke" but never actually define it with any standard.

You call it trolling. I call it asking for consistency and coherence. Stop haven't gotten it

Jeff Pearson's avatar

It means woke swaps evidence for feelings, merit for identity, and freedom for control, e.g., firing dissenters or gutting standards in the name of 'equity.'

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

But that doesn't make sense. Trump has threatened and fired dissenters. Does that make him woke? During covid the Biden administration had covid skeptics/dissenters fired too.

Both have in situations swapped evidence for feelings. Biden and Trump with Israel is just one of many examples.

By the definition you've provided, it seems that both are woke....?

Jeff Pearson's avatar

No. Woke specifically means identity-obsessed "social justice" dogmatism, censoring for "equity," DEI quotas, pronoun policing, not generic authoritarianism. Trump/Biden power plays don't fit that mold. False equivalence.

Y. Andropov's avatar

See "anti-racism". See Nikole Hannah-Jones and Ibrahim X. Kendi. See The 1619 Project.

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

Oh I'm just curious how conservatives define it. It gets tossed around like candy on halloween without any definitions for why there's so much anger towards it

Y. Andropov's avatar

It’s the Marxist dialectic in disguise.

Malik Graves-Pryor's avatar

Uh, ok? What does that mean in practice

Suzie's avatar

It’s a scam, (read up on Soviet history), solely instigated by the Left, infiltrated into every institution and nook and cranny, to amass power via separating people into tribes or factions, who then will spend all their precious time warring for their particular faction, (DIE, “green” anything, trans-whatever, skin color, religion, nationality -you name it), rather than the overall good of the whole. The Left will promise the sun, moon and the stars, pandering to each individual faction to gain their votes solely to achieve power.

The Left cares nothing for the genuine good of the country as a whole, its foundational documents, structure or laws. They are solely focused on gaining and maintaining power for power’s sake.

Woke is a manipulation of the individuals mind to believe their crazy “pet cause” should override all else.

It’s a tactic as old as history known as divide and conquer.